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Foreign Policy Diary ‘Turkey’ – Rising of the Threat

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  1. mmiriww on June 04, 2015  ·  at 1:46 pm EST/EDT

    Now that Iran and Turkey have entered Syria. This might be what they mean by the shits hit the fan. Russia seems to have accelerated weapons delivery as well.

    • Daniel Rich on June 04, 2015  ·  at 10:05 pm EST/EDT

      @ mmiriww,

      Q; This might be what they mean by the shits hit the fan.

      R: By now that should’ve been translated into; ‘This might be what they mean by the Shiites hit the fan.”, no…?

      • It's God's Will on June 05, 2015  ·  at 5:04 am EST/EDT

        Danny, no is right.

        “the shit hits the fan” refers to the coalition of the evil viscious criminal enterprise known as Israhell and thier new partners the souless wahabis from Israhell wannabe Saudi Arabia are about to get their ass kicked by the Syrian Russian Iranian Chinese coalition.

        Stayed tuned.

  2. Charette on June 04, 2015  ·  at 2:13 pm EST/EDT

    Russia and China very happy with the status quo:

    http://fortruss.blogspot.com/2015/06/chinas-three-nos.html

    Might explain why we’ve heard a lot of grand speeches, etc. in the last 18 months, but NO actions at all.

    They’re even losing the information war now, with the FIFA coup the latest brilliant scheme from Langley.

    • Guest on June 04, 2015  ·  at 3:06 pm EST/EDT

      Anonymous

      I am not clear from your post what you were expecting Russia and China to do in the past 18 months???

      Regarding the information war and Fifa I am sure you read and obviously embrace the western Media;
      And by your post it seems the west in your mind stands for the whole international community.
      But let me assure you not all 209 football nations view the latest scandals in the same way.

      • Charette on June 04, 2015  ·  at 3:43 pm EST/EDT

        Those nations will be bribed like others.

        I do NOT embrace the western narrative. It was clear to me from the beginning this was about canceling the WC in Russia.

        But now what? Huh?

        Watch another CrossTalk video?
        Analyze gestures?

    • Kat Kan on June 04, 2015  ·  at 3:08 pm EST/EDT

      Is that a fair thing to say?

      The FIFA thing was totally out of left field. Who could have foreseen it? or what could they do to prevent it?

      • Charette on June 04, 2015  ·  at 3:40 pm EST/EDT

        @Kat Kan:

        Exactly right. Out of left field. This shows the empire is much more creative. They are attacking on every single imaginable front.

        As for what Russia could have done… nobody wants war. But several high-profile individuals, such as Paul Craig Roberts, Mikhail Khazin and a slew of European analysts (mostly French… i.e. Jacques Sapir), put forth tons of ideas, mostly revolving around economics… yet absolutely nothing’s been done besides banning produce from Western Europe.

        How long are you guys going to give cover to a government whose country is humiliated day in and day out on the international stage?

        Even the hardcore supporters of Putin in Western Europe, which represented a sizable chunk of the population last year, are losing patience… and faith.

        • RockyRacoon on June 04, 2015  ·  at 5:33 pm EST/EDT

          When are we the people in the West going to put a stop to the crimes against humanity that our rogue governments are committing. It is not up to Putin or XI to take care of our problem governments which they are going to great lengths to avoid. War avoidance has always been Russia’s position in the world.
          RR

        • 3 Cents on June 04, 2015  ·  at 10:29 pm EST/EDT

          @Anonymous 3:40pm June 4, 2015

          Good point. You’re right they should have anticipated this (so soon after the West’s attempts to trash Putin’s Olympics at Sochi), it should have been much easier to see this coming. In any conflict, if you constantly play defense and don’t hatch a strategy to bring the initiative to your opponent, you’re eventually going to lose, and, at a minimum, you’re always going to be at a disadvantage and playing catchup.

      • Anonymous on June 04, 2015  ·  at 3:46 pm EST/EDT

        left field?

        I don’t really think much is out of left field, these guys have massive money/power (I know you like proof – do do I. I can’t prove 911 was an inside job but still “know that it was).

        “October 17, 2011

        …For the record, I am not at all certain but I believe that Chuck Blazer is Jewish, and I don’t believe it to be coincidental.”

        http://www.bigsoccer.com/blog/2011/10/17/warner-it-was-the-joooooos

        • Serbian Girl on June 04, 2015  ·  at 5:01 pm EST/EDT

          Yes he is jewish and grew up in a NY jewish neighborhood.

          @anonymous: “the empire is such more creative” ..Desperate more than anything else, I’d say.

          This FIFA thing is a hornets nest and looks like it’s going to backfire amazingly as already France and Ireland are implicated in the shitstorm. I don’t think Qatars are too pleased about this either.

          It’s almost as if Uncle Sam WANTS to piss off its allies!

          • Anonymous on June 04, 2015  ·  at 5:19 pm EST/EDT

            Serbian girl,

            so long as the fifa anti Israel vote was scuppered uncle sam feels fine.

          • eimar on June 04, 2015  ·  at 6:11 pm EST/EDT

            Of course this is coming back to bite Turkey. NATO in Turkey has been ISIL’s support-system, and Erdogan has done precious little to prevent it, despite his known hostility to the NATO presence. Perhaps he thought he could merge his ‘neo-Ottomanism’ into the New Caliphate, with himself as Caliph?

            Perhaps the US suspect those ambitions and are less certain of control over a Turk caliphate? Maybe ISIL are under instruction – or some cells at least – to warn Erdogan to rein back ambition?

            Or perhaps Turk elements have had enough of the chaos and want to put the frighteners on the EU to pressurize a NATO contraction?

            Because there is certainly pressure mounting now to cut ISIS supplies at source.

            Perhaps NATO will make up for potential earnings loss with increasing militarization of European borders/airports/seaports? And there’s always Balkan destabilization..

          • Buts on June 05, 2015  ·  at 2:05 am EST/EDT

            …US is “pissing ON” its allies looks like…

    • eimar on June 04, 2015  ·  at 3:24 pm EST/EDT

      The three NOs are counterpointed by three YESs.

      As the US’ largest creditor, China is not particularly well-served by its economic collapse. It needs to concentrate on domestic development and issues. Minimal conflict with foreign powers can only help domestic reform.
      But it continues to expect boundaries to be respected – the ‘big enough for both’ argument is both an invitation to be reasonable and a warning against dominance. The Chinese are masters at the Hegelian dialectic..:)

      The most interesting YES is the acknowledgment of the need for cooperative relations with Japan, while still – rightly – remaining critical of attempts to re-write history. Japan needs reminding it wasn’t China that dropped the atom bombs on Japan. It also needs reminding that past Japanese imperialism didn’t do the Japanese people any favours. Far better to focus on arrangements that improve the lot of both nation’s peoples.
      Both nations have much in common, but enough differences to generate solutions to current ills: pooling talent from both nations is far better than harming them, as conflict inevitably will.

      This has brought clarity to regional relations. Of course Carter – a former weapons buyer for the Pentagon – will continue to try and drum up ‘tensions’ for those all-important MIC contracts. Good leadership from both China and Japan should be alerta nd not allow these provocations to derail their common interests: they need to pool resources to resolve outstanding serious issues like Fukishima as well as come up with alternative ecologically innovative economies.

    • Robert Lassen on June 04, 2015  ·  at 3:40 pm EST/EDT

      The problem is that the US ‘diplomacy is always rather disjointed. I have no love of football and if every football pitch in the world was dug up and used to grow potatoes I would not care.

      However I do suspect that relations between Qatar and the US would be harmed substantially if the 2022 world cup was re-located to the US, or anywhere else for that matter. The Gulf States that support US policy in the Middle East, including Qatar, have de-facto funded the US/Israeli war against President Assad.

      So essentially Qatar that has ‘bought and paid for’ the World Cup in 2022 would be rather pissed off if American zealots used the corruption ‘red’ card to steal the 2022 World Cup for themselves.

    • blue on June 04, 2015  ·  at 5:27 pm EST/EDT

      There’s nothing brilliant about just arrogantly making more trouble in the world and agitating for conflict. What Russia, China, and most countries is normal international trade and relationships, and are getting quite fed up with US/empire’s constant trouble making. Countries try to ignore it and go about their business, but if the agitation continues the world will be forced to put the ‘overgrown spoiled toddler’ in it’s place, like people in a restaurant with a little kid racing around knocking food all over and disrupting diners.

      It is becoming well known that the US has been using ISIL/ISIS/IS/whatever to create chaos — like a spoiled kid in a restaurant with his rowdy dogs, both disrupting and nipping everyone. The kids thinks he is being clever, but that’s not the case.

      IS is becoming a force unto itself, and has energy based on the long years of abuse of the Muslims, many of whom are now reacting to it with pent-up anger — which can now explode anywhere in dangerous ways. The propaganda about a ‘clash of civilizations’ is becoming something of a self-fulfilling prophesy, and will take on directions not dreamed of by the idiots who started it unless the situation is taken in hand by the world. It’s very great danger when a nation such as the US constantly creates enemies for it’s absurd ‘take over the world’ agenda, because those enemies become enemies to everyone — the US included, and more than the imperialist idiots can handle when they too are attacked. Pandora’s box, sorcerer’s apprentice, Midas touch — pick the metaphor you like, but there it is, gathering to bite back.

      • Charette on June 04, 2015  ·  at 6:36 pm EST/EDT

        It is becoming well known?

        I’d say it’s probably well known among those who always knew: about 0.5% of the population.

        Walk around in the U.S. and I guarantee you, 99% of the people will regurgitate what they see on TV when you discuss those matters with them.

        • blue on June 04, 2015  ·  at 9:00 pm EST/EDT

          I was not talking about just the US. Generally USAins manage to know where the nearest McD’s is and what’s on TV but not much more about anything. Point is, the information is more available now for those who try to keep up, but perhaps did not know before. Similar with the US supporting Nazis in Ukraine. This information is starting to enter the collective consciousness even if not explicitly by individuals — who rarely think about this stuff. Many people have a ‘feeling’ that there is something very wrong with the stories told to them. At least I think, or ‘feel’ so.

      • Double Yi on June 04, 2015  ·  at 9:46 pm EST/EDT

        There’s a saying : Bring the fight to them.

        The US has been able to distract the world with aggression everywhere else. In the US, the fight is to stop spending any money, stop paying taxes and stop voting. The real US unemployment is more like 42%. Over 6,000 stores are closing this year. Many big retail chains are in bankruptcy. The implosion is happening. They are very scared and so spray the skies with chem trails and practice their war machines to look good. But they are cowards….as Celente says, it only takes 2% to make the change.

        • blue on June 05, 2015  ·  at 3:45 am EST/EDT

          2% is 6 million, but they need to be organized, and have enough resources, which usually means something like ‘middle class’ students — not the homeless and living in poverty unless most everyone lives like that and is desperate, which isn’t the case yet. There are a lot of control rods down to dampen the interactions in this reactor. This doesn’t look like any ‘long hot summer’ to me.

  3. Anonymous on June 04, 2015  ·  at 3:18 pm EST/EDT

    Unfortunately I have a blank page and some numbers on it and if I click on it , it doesn’t work. Is there some changes I have missed in the posting?

    This is off topic, but it is related to FIFA – a shady hands…………..
    http://www.wiesenthal.com/site/apps/nlnet/content.aspx?c=lsKWLbPJLnF&b=8776547&ct=14710391&notoc=1

    • Vineyard Moderator - K.K. on June 04, 2015  ·  at 3:26 pm EST/EDT

      The video has been much improved and speeded up. You may need to give it a few seconds to get started. Otherwise watch the youtube version
      https://www.youtube.com/user/crimeanfront/videos

      • blue on June 04, 2015  ·  at 4:55 pm EST/EDT

        I see this video listed there at https://www.youtube.com/user/crimeanfront/videos , and also a new 4.06.2015 Crisis News one from an hour ago.

      • Signalman on June 04, 2015  ·  at 6:04 pm EST/EDT

        Why don’t Saker and the moderators just link to SouthFront’s new channel when posting a new item from SouthFront?
        Why link to something that is flawed?

        It is too important to frustrate people with bad streaming.

  4. Larchmonter445 on June 04, 2015  ·  at 3:41 pm EST/EDT

    This video report is the most important news presentation I have seen on ISIS and its latest movements, now into Turkey (who has aided and abetted Islamists against Syria).

    Very powerful, succinct factual production.

    I downloaded the video to watch it because they have streaming issues. Full screen, it is a super professional short.

    I have sent donation to SouthFront via PayPal to support their work. I suggest that if you value an independent news source you might do a little in that direction.

    Also, help distribute their work so it reaches more people.

    They also have a stealth YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/user/crimeanfront/videos

    • SouthFront on June 05, 2015  ·  at 8:43 am EST/EDT

      Dear friend,

      Thank you for the support.

      Kind regards,
      SouthFront

  5. JJ on June 04, 2015  ·  at 4:08 pm EST/EDT

    latest 4 june
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXmiJf9kpms

    covers Donbass, Yemen, Syria too………but images we are probably familiar with from recent days…….

  6. вот так on June 04, 2015  ·  at 4:57 pm EST/EDT

    So the ZPC/NWO are now moving their ISIL terrorists against Turkey. So much for the delusions of grandeur of “Emperor Erdogan”, thinking he can be an independent actor while still remaining in the camp of the shekel and the dollar.

  7. Penelope on June 04, 2015  ·  at 5:12 pm EST/EDT

    I guess the “ISIS” terrorist attack in Turkey is a propaganda device to make the Turkish people accept Turkish engagement in Syria “against” (really in favor of) ISIS.

    Turkey has always wanted Assad’s downfall so as to annex part of Syria, but in the past Turkey has refused to invade unless US/NATO did too. Seems they were afraid of somke sort of doublecross.

    Turkey is still allowing supplies to ISIS via its airport & then by truck, and is also continuing both training and medical treatment of ISIS.

    But I guess y’all probably know that. Here’s a link for those who don’t.

    http://www.sott.net/article/296809-Secret-Pentagon-report-reveals-West-saw-ISIS-as-strategic-asset A declassified secret US government document obtained by the conservative public interest law firm, Judicial Watch,

    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article40347.htm Germany’s international broadcaster Deutsche Welle (DW) published a video report of immense implications – possibly the first national broadcaster in the West to admit that the so-called “Islamic State” (ISIS) is supplied not by “black market oil” or “hostage ransoms” but billions of dollars worth of supplies carried into Syria across NATO member Turkey’s borders via hundreds of trucks a day.

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-illusory-islamic-state-washingtons-caliphate-project-made-in-america/5396163

    • Ann on June 05, 2015  ·  at 5:08 am EST/EDT

      Yes Penelope…as I was watching the video I was wondering about that. But even if Turkish oligarchs are funding ISIL…the people still can get killed. Even if Ergodan is funding ISIL>…is it him, or is it that he’s out of control of the money funding by western aligned oligarchs ?

  8. вот так on June 04, 2015  ·  at 5:16 pm EST/EDT

    The Israelis are now using their ISIL proxies to stage obvious provocations in Israel that are then used to attack the Palestinians again.

    ISIL Group Claims Responsibility for Gaza Rockets Fired into Israel

    Up to three rockets were fired from Gaza into Israel on Wednesday, landing in open fields near the western town of Negev.

    Israeli Airstrikes Target Hamas Facilities After Rocket Attacks

    Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) have reportedly launched a retaliatory attack on Gaza, hours after three rockets landed across the border in Israel earlier on Wednesday night.

    No injuries or casualties have been reported from the airstrikes, as Hamas militants evacuated their posts earlier in anticipation of an Israeli attack.

    A group associated with the self-proclaimed Islamic State (IS) has claimed responsibility for three rockets fired into Israel Wednesday night. Though Hamas views IS as a threat, Israel considers the group to be responsible for any attacks originating from the Gaza Strip.

    It’s good news nobody was injured in Gaza from the war criminal attacks, though no doubt the zionazi sods were disappointed they didn’t murder anyone.

  9. Vietnam Vet on June 04, 2015  ·  at 6:04 pm EST/EDT

    I’m curious as to whether Turkey’s stance against Syria’s Assad might impact Russia’s proposed South Stream project landing in Turkey. This issue, along with recognition of Armenian genocide by Russia, would seem to mark serious divisions between Turkey and Russia. On the other hand, there’s the $billions to be made on the pipeline, so let’s close our eyes for the moment?

    • Jack on June 04, 2015  ·  at 6:33 pm EST/EDT

      Obama and his Empire overlords have been wanting to replace Erdogan with some stooge who will cancel the Russian “TurkStream” pipeline segment to Europe.

      Obama diverting part of his ISIS death machine into Turkey would fit that scenario perfectly.

    • Outlaw Historian on June 04, 2015  ·  at 6:42 pm EST/EDT

      National interests are convoluted things sometimes, as is the case here. Moon of Alabama posted a good assessment of the current situation in Syria today.

    • eimar on June 04, 2015  ·  at 6:49 pm EST/EDT

      Iran. Syria and Iraq definitely coordinating against the ISIL machine.

      http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13940314000452

      Turkey cannot afford that level of enmity, nor can the EU.

  10. Red Ryder on June 04, 2015  ·  at 8:33 pm EST/EDT

    If you want a comprehensive study of the Turkey-Syria-Lebanon-Israel history, region dynamics, big powers (Britain, US and France) for over century-long wars and conflicts, you might want to get Robert Fisk’s The Great War for Civilization. It is a great read, by a mad who has reported for many decades, lives in Lebanon since 1976, speaks Arabic, and hates most every government and all the rest of the mainstream press, media and bogus historians.

    It is a wonderful book, huge, but heavily documented with detail that takes you into the tapestry and intrigues of the ME.

    It will educate you in a powerful way. The book should be in your library.

    The fact that most Americans have never seen or heard him or know of his existence indicates how relevant he is. He is denied access to the public. He has been marginalized in most of the usual channels of communication. But he is a great authority on the main countries that are involved in the wars of the ME.

    (A side note: he interviewed Osama Bin Laden 3x, so he is no armchair pontificator.)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Great_War_for_Civilisation

    http://www.amazon.com/Great-War-Civilisation-Conquest-Middle/dp/1400075173/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1433450182&sr=8-1&keywords=robert+fisk

  11. CogitoMan on June 04, 2015  ·  at 8:40 pm EST/EDT

    My three cents…
    US and Western Europe is at the end of economic tether. I seriously doubt that they can survive much longer without serious internal strife. As I see it economically speaking US may drown into uncontrolled chaos with potentially splitting apart in few years. EU might end up splitting apart as well. I have pretty good idea how it might end up since I make my living by speculating in FX markets for many years
    .
    I believe it was Sun Tzu who have said that the best way to win the war is to do it without fighting.
    Let the US empire collapse within which is given. All it takes is patience and avoiding provocations that might lead to war. It seems to me that both China and Russia follows that sound advice.

    • Julian on June 05, 2015  ·  at 12:15 am EST/EDT

      That is true – to an extent – but at some point they’re going to have to give that edifice a shove to make sure it does happen before it regains its balance.

      I suspect they’d love to do that while Obama remains in office, but maybe they’re happy to wait for a more rabid American President in 2017? Either way I definitely see a rather major confrontation between the two sides over the next 2 years at most. Mid 2015-Mid 2017.

  12. Ann on June 05, 2015  ·  at 4:59 am EST/EDT

    this is like a horror movie.

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